Would you make this move if you were the Eagles?

Let’s play the Pundit’s brand new blogging game show, “Would you make this move?”

Here’s a practice question, to get everybody warmed up: With the recent expulsion of Dan Leone, the Eagles have been in the news for reasons they probably don’t like. While many fans side with the Eagles, a rather large group remains disgruntled with the organization. If you were the Eagles, would you sign Kimberly Swann – as an act of good-will toward the fans – to replace Mr. Leone?

Alright, enough of the horseplay – let’s get down to some serious Eagles business. So I’m listening to a little bit of the Jody Mac show on ESPN Radio this morning, and I hear them talking about poor, embittered little Jay Cutler, who is putting it out there that he ain’t happy, and would like a trade if the Broncos don’t want to commit to him long-term. And they get to talking about what teams might be a fit, and your Philadelphia Eagles come up. So I ask:

Would you trade Donovan McNabb to the Broncos for Jay Cutler?Now, I don’t know if this deal would work straight up, but if it did, would you do it? I would – hell, I’d throw in a fourth-round pick to sweeten the pot. Cutler is younger, and has shown a lot of potential in his stint in the league. Sure, he’s a gunslinger (18 picks last year), which would probably drive Andy Reid up a wall. But, you wouldn’t have to worry about any drama over the McNabb contract, and you would ensure that you had a quarterback for the next ten years. Is Cutler perfect? Nah. But he does have a big arm, is fairly mobile in the pocket, and isn’t afraid to take chances and allow his guys to make plays. I make the move (even though there isn’t an ice-sculpture-of-a-saint’s chance in hell that this will happen).

And here, of course, we have Saint Mantis, the Patron Saint of endangered species. (Alright, alright, so I couldn't find an ice sculpture of an actual saint, whatever).

And here, of course, we an ice-sculpture of Saint Mantis, the Patron Saint of Endangered Species. He was known for constantly praying. (Alright, alright, so I couldn't find an ice sculpture of an actual saint, whatever).

Would you overpay – at least slightly – to ensure that you got Leonard Weaver?

If you’re Derek from Iggles Blog, not only would you do this, but you would have already put in an order for his jersey. And possibly joined his fan club. And damn well you should have – he makes perfect sense for the Eagles. He’s only 26, can catch the ball out of the backfield, and was a Pro Bowl alternate last season. Damnit, sign him up, even if it is a bit more than what you would like to give a fullback. He fills three needs: 1. He’s an actual fullback! (Sorry, Klecko, but you ain’t). 2. He’s athletic enough that he could occasionally moonlight as a short-yardage tailback (which the Eagles desperately need someone to do). 3. He’s a viable option out of the backfield in the passing game. I mean, to me, it makes so much sense it hurts. Just ask Derek – I’m pretty sure he’s been banging his head on his desk since free agency began, frustrated that the Eagles haven’t signed Mr. Weaver.

Multi-part question: Would you try to make a deal for a big-time receiver, what would you be willing to give up for one, and would you prefer Anquan Boldin or Braylon Edwards?

A. Yes

B. I’d give up their first-round (21) and their third-rounder.

C. I want Anquan Boldin. I’ve wanted him since friggin’ August, back when I was a baby blogger. I just think he’s a perfect fit – big-bodied guy who isn’t easy to jam, good target over the middle, physical, absolutely devastating after the catch. I still think DeSean Jackson is going to develop into their stretch-the-field, deep-ball threat, and Curtis is an ideal slot guy, so bringing in Boldin – who in my mind is essentially a possession-receiver with pizazz – would be perfect.

Kulp from The Level makes the argument for Edwards. Let me make one thing perfectly clear – I would take Edwards any day of the week. But given my druthers, I would prefer Boldin. I think he’s more consistent than Edwards, and I think he’s a better fit for our offense. Yes, Edwards is probably a more dangerous deep threat, but that becomes mere luxury if DeSean continues to develop in that area, which I think he will. Obviously, its very possible that neither one of these guys gets moved, but if each were up for grabs, I’m going with Boldin.

Would you make a play for Orlando Pace?

I discussed this one yesterday, so I won’t go crazy here. I will say this – to all of you who are convinced that he is washed-up, consider that he only gave up two sacks in the 14 games he played last year. If you are like the Eagles – all about the youth – then you clearly don’t entertain the notion of bringing Pace aboard. But if you are just trying to get better, and, upon studying tape of Pace, decide that he’s still got it, don’t you have to consider him? I say yes.

Would you continue to sign more safeties to replace Brian Dawkins?

And how do you fix a broken heart, for that matter? (Editor’s note: Wow. Somebody get Suzy Sadness over here some friggin’ tissues). Yes, the Eagles brought in another safety on a one-year deal. Introducing…drum roll, please…Rashad Baker. Right. Goody-goody friggin’ gumdrops.

Alright, so maybe that’s not fair. After all, as pointed out by Ford, he was vital to the Eagles playoff-push last year, making the game-clinching interception for the Raiders in their defeat of the Bucs. Which, as I’m sure you all remember, gave the Birds their window of opportunity to make the playoffs. So I say, what the hell, I’ll accept him with hesitatingly open arms – he ain’t Dawkins, but seeing as we kind of, sort of owe him for our playoff birth, we kind of, sort of owe him a fair shake here in town.

If you saw Jeffrey Lurie on the street, would you jump him?

Hey, he’s a billionaire, after all – who knows how much he carries around. Dag, he might have the deed for an island or something in his pocket. All joking aside,  I obviously don’t condone any sort of violence, so this one is out. But perhaps if I rephrased the question…

If you saw Jeffrey Lurie on the street, would you try to pickpocket him?

(Editor’s waiver: Let us repeat that the Pundit does not condone violence of any sort. As well, he does not condone theft, or any other crime, for that matter. While this probably seemed obvious to 97.5% of the population, the Pundit feels it important to soothe the other 2.5%, they of the nit-witted and overtly-PC contingent. Thank you.)

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34 responses to “Would you make this move if you were the Eagles?

  1. Howard

    1) I would walk Donovan to the airport. Cutler needs to mature emotionally, but does have talent.
    2) Orlando Pace it TOO FRAGILE. I would have kept Thomas over him.
    3) They are FAR under the cap, so spend some on the FB Weaver.
    4) Boldin is better than any of the guys looking to go in the first round of the draft.

  2. mp

    The safety paragraph says:
    Would you continue to sign more safeties to replace Brian Westbrook?

    Probably meant Brian Dawkins.

  3. pattisonpundit

    Oh jeez, you are right. Consider it fixed

  4. pattisonpundit

    I’m going to have to fire that damn editor…

  5. Nice post.

    I just think Boldin is overrated. He’s an extremely talented player, but lacks the amazing physical stature or tremendous athleticism of the top receiving threats.

    Edwards is still rough around the edges, but has T.O.-like ability. It’s not only what he does down the field, it’s the extra attention he draws from the secondary.

    There is certainly something to be said for both players, but Edwards has the opportunity to become a player who commands a constant double team. When you can dictate the opponent’s gameplan, it gives your team a distinct advantage.

  6. James Fayleez

    Kulp loses credibility because he fails to mention another “T.O. like” quazlity of Braylon Edwards – the dropsies. We have enough guys who drop the ball on the Eagles right now. I don’t think we need another one.

    No to Pace.
    Yes to Weaver.

    And Cutler for McNabb? Sounds good to me. I would like to see a QB that doesn’t throw worm balls or 50 feet above the receiver.

  7. @ James

    I didn’t fail to mention that at all.

    He had a severe case of the dropsies last year and has yet to consistently show up every week, but he’s also never had a real QB. At 26-years-old, there is still time for him to evolve into a great player every week, especially with somebody like Donovan maximizing his potential.

    Like you said, Owens drops the ball too, but somehow Donovan had his best season in ’04.

  8. pattisonpundit

    Right, but a huge reason why TO was so awesome in our offense was because he was awesome at making the catches over the middle, and turning them into big plays. I always though his signature play with the Eagles was during the regular season, against the Ravens, when he caught the ball over the middle in the red zone and broke so many tackles he probably eluded half of their defenders. That’s what Boldin gives you, and I think, in the Eagles offense, that it is a slightly better fit.

  9. But what makes any team better: the guy who catches 5 yard passes and has the potential to break them for big gains, or the guy who takes the opponent’s safety out of the game?

    Just look at what the Giants were with Plaxico and without. When he was on the field in Week 10, the Eagles used double coverage 73% of the time compared to just 7% in Week 14, and presumably about the same in the Divisional Playoff. His presence meant defenses were essentially playing with 10 guys instead of 11. You can’t have a much greater impact than that.

    That’s why I don’t buy Boldin is a better fit. He plays closer to the line of scrimmage and doesn’t demand the same kind of attention from the defense, and a defense that tackles well has a better shot at limiting his production. A player like Edwards, even if he drops a bunch of passes or a defense is able to scheme him out of the game, it’s going to open up everything else the offense does.

    And I think Desean Jackson could do what Boldin does in a different sort of way. He’s obviously not going to break many tackles to keep plays alive, but you’ve see what he can do when he catches a short crossing pattern and has open field to work with. A player like Edwards clearing one side of the field could make that play absolutely devastating.

    That doesn’t mean Boldin wouldn’t be an upgrade either, but I don’t think his contribution would be worth a first and a third.

  10. James Fayleez

    Hold up – Braylon Edwards never had a real QB?

    Who threw him his 16 TD’s the year before last?
    Oh yeah, that was Derek Anderson who was having his best year as well.

    Owens didn’t have the dropsies as bad as he does now (or as bad as Braylon has them) when he was with us in ’04. They started in Dallas.

    And to your question:

    “But what makes any team better: the guy who catches 5 yard passes and has the potential to break them for big gains, or the guy who takes the opponent’s safety out of the game?”

    Uh, the guy who breaks them for big gains. That’s a PLAYMAKER. It’s what McNabb asked for.

    He didn’t ask for a big decoy that occupies a safety.

    If you think Boldin plays too close to the line then you can send Desean Jackson to occupy the safety you’re so worried about. And while that’s happening, Boldin will be taking the 2-yard slant ( a STAPLE in our offensive playbook) and running it into the endzone.

  11. KevinH

    No way on Cutler. Never take another team’s problem. If the Broncos think he is a problem why would we want him? Could you imagine somebody like Cutler playing qb in a town like Philly? He’d never be able to take the pressure. If McNabb can stay healthy he should have 3-5 good years left.

  12. pattisonpundit

    But don’t you think DeSean is going to become that stretch-the-field, deep play threat? And if that’s the case, isn’t a possession receiver with the ability to make big plays after the catch an absolute perfect fit? I don’t really like DeSean as the dink-and-dunk, I-hope-he-breaks-a-tackle role, at least not exclusively – he’s shown the ability to get separation from defenders down the field.

    What he hasn’t really shown me is the ability to make the tough catches over the middle. Other than Avant on this team, who has? And seeing as Avant isn’t going to be out that nearly as much as a Boldin would be, I’d still like that physical presence for Donovan to get the ball too. Sure, you can draft a TE, and Celek is a decent option, but Boldin gives you a guaranteed, over-the-middle guy. That instantly helps you in the red zone, a huuuuge area of concern for the Birds this year.

    And aren’t you a little bit concerned about Edwards’ career consistency? Yes, huge year in 2007, no two ways about it. But in 2006, he had 61 receptions for 884 yards and 6 TD’s. Last year, he had 55 receptions for 873 yards and 3 TD’s. Edwards kind of seems like an all-or-nothing guy – either he makes the big play down the field, or he’s a non-factor.

    Boldin, meanwhile, has had only two seasons under 1,000 yards receiving – and in each, he played 10 and 12 games, respectively. Other than those two years, the lowest catch total he had was 83. Boldin is consistent – if I’m giving up picks, I want to know EXACTLY what I’m getting. I get that assurance with him.

  13. pattisonpundit

    @Kevin H – the Broncos thought about moving Cutler because the QB their coach, Josh McDaniels, had last year was Matt Cassel, who was on the market. He obviously, after a year working with Cassel, thought he was a good fit on the system. Not sure if that’s an indictment on Cutler so much as it is an endorsement for Cassel, at least from McDaniels.

    And how do you know Cutler couldn’t take the pressure in Philly?

  14. @ James

    Derek Anderson stinks. He’s inaccurate and throws way too many picks. But whatever, let me put it this way: if Edwards can put up those numbers with Anderson throwing him the ball, what do you think he would do with McNabb?

    Terrell Owens has ALWAYS been known for dropping passes. In fact, he is famous for it. Remember the playoff game with the 49ers where he dropped about one hundred passes before hauling in the game-winner while being mauled by the Packers secondary?

    Finally, the idea that Boldin has more playmaking potential than Edwards is a joke. Boldin has to break a tackle and run with the football to create a big play. Edwards can be anywhere on the field, and simply due to his speed and size, he can cause a big play from anywhere on the field.

    • James Fayleez

      Kulp –

      I’m not going argue for or against Derek Anderson. He had one good season, just like Braylon Edwards.

      You think McNabb is the picture of accuracy? So if he can’t get the ball to Braylon down the field or Braylon drops it – what have you got? You’ve got Hank Baskett. And we just resigned him.

      Boldin has the ability to make this stupid offense we run look really good. Just like T.O. did in 2004. Between taking those little dump passes/slants and getting big yards after the catch and pushing guys off the line a lot better than Jackson and Curtis can.

      Send Braylon to Denver, so the new “gunslinger “can throw it all over the field to him. Last time I checked, we don’t run that kind of offense here.

  15. Re: Coverage Schemes

    We’re not simply talking about a deep ball threat though, but a complete receiver with the ability to catch the ball anywhere on the field. DeSean Jackson had a great rookie season, but for him to fit the bill, he needs to become Steve Smith, the only receiver under 6’3″ I’d put in the elite category.

    The point isn’t just to send a guy deep and hope he draws safety help. The point is to have a guy who’s so dangerous, he automatically draws safety help. Terrell Owens, Plaxico Burress, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald… these guys are a different breed of receiver who draw two defenders on almost every down, and it’s not simply because they can run a good fly pattern.

    They are the kind of players who change games by dictating how the defense schemes, and Braylon Edwards would most likely be in that group with a decent QB. I don’t question his consistency much because look who has been throwing him the football. I see a player who can make every catch, including over the middle, while opening up the rest of the offense with his mere presence.

    And even if Boldin is the proven commodity, I maintain he’s not worth a first and a third.

  16. James Fayleez

    And I maintain you’re crazy.

    1) Any PROVEN commodity we can get for spare draft picks (when Andy and Joe are making the picks) is worth it.

    2) When did Braylon Edwards become Randy Moss? He had ONE good season. Why did he have one good season with “crap” throwing him the ball, but the other seasons he was below average?

    Boldin has proven he gets it done CONSISTENTLY.

    And again, look at the offense we run. If we were the Giants, I’d say go for Braylon. I can see comparing him to Plaxico and what they do up there.

    But not here.

  17. @ James

    Here is where the comparison of Braylon Edwards to Randy Moss or T.O. or any of those other players holds water: they catch their average pass 10 or more yards beyond the line of scrimmage. That kind of player is infinitely more dangerous than the one who catches the ball 5 yards off the line and has to hope the other team can’t tackle in order to make something happen, and that’s why those players command more attention from a defense.

    It’s simple X’s and O’s. Yes, Boldin has gotten it done consistently, but the only new dynamic he gives the Eagles offense is physicality. That alone is not worth a first and a third. He’s not T.O., he’s just a guy who gets open within 5 yards and might break a tackle, something that’s certainly a lot easier in the NFC West than in it is in the NFC East.

    Now the fact that you’re saying “we’re not the Giants” just goes to show you really don’t understand the intricacies of the game. If you gave any offense the chance to play against 11 guys or 10, they would choose 10. That’s what these receivers do, and it opens up every facet of the game. It could create single coverage for DeSean down the field, or could put Curtis on a linebacker in zone coverage in the middle, or could keep an extra guy out of the box making a Westbrook run or screen pass more effective. It creates match-up problems, regardless of what team or what kind of offense you run.

    I’m not trashing Boldin, and you can make the case that he is the better player, but you’re mostly doing so on statistics and history. I’m making the case that for a much cheaper price, you might be able to get a guy who has a greater influence over how the other team gameplans, and THAT is what makes one player better than another more than any statistic or measure of consistency you choose.

  18. pattisonpundit

    I think you evaluate Edwards a little higher than I do.

    1. I don’t think he’s a complete receiver who makes every catch. I think he’s a hit-or-miss guy who’s strength is making plays down the field. Dropped too many passes to be considered a complete receiver, and hasn’t put up consistent enough numbers over his career to warrant the “hey, TO drops passes, too” argument.

    2. While it is the strength of his game, I don’t subscribe to to the notion that he will consistently, over the duration of his career, demand safety help. Again, I have to reiterate – I would take Braylon Edwards, in a second, if the Birds couldn’t get Boldin. I just think he’s a bit more of a project, and I think Boldin fits our system really, really well.

    How about this:

    Edwards has more potential and could end up being a guy that dictates schemes to the other team, though it isn’t a guarantee he will reach that plateau.

    Boldin is more consistent, is a solid possession receiver who makes big plays after the catch, and would fit the Eagles scheme extremely well, though he wouldn’t necessarily force the defense’s hand or guarantee other Eagles favorable match-ups.

    People, pick your school of thought. Kulp says Braylon Edwards, the Pundit says Anquan Boldin. Let’s call the whole thing off.

  19. pattisonpundit

    Haha, I just walked back in the house, and on my walk back, I had thought of a point I wanted to make to you. But then I thought, “well, I sort of end the argument, and then make a point? That’s lame.”

    After seeing your boo, I don’t feel so bad.

    My point – you have been saying that he would put up elite numbers if he had a more elite quarterback, akin to the numbers that guys like Moss, Fitzgerald, TO, Andre and Calvin Johnson put up. But wait? Who was Calvin Johnson’s quarterback last year? A revolving door of mediocrity, if I remember correctly. And yet he still put up these numbers?

    78 receptions, 1331 yards, 17.1 ypc, 12 TD’s

    Wow – pretty elite year for a guy with a scrub QB, huh?

  20. Yeah, you have a point, but I think Calvin Johnson is a very special player.

    All Boldin v. Edwards discussion aside, when it comes down to it, I simply don’t feel Boldin is worth a first and a third, while Edwards more than likely is worth (my guess) a second and a fifth. That’s the real point.

    I don’t think receiver is a big enough need to use two high draft picks on when we have bigger holes at left tackle, running back, and probably tight end, unless maybe that receiver is an elite player. I don’t feel Boldin is that guy.

  21. pattisonpundit

    Valid. Though I think that bringing Boldin in means you could forgo TE early and plug Celek in there, since Boldin will take over the role of possession receiver. Which means you can probably still go LT and RB with your 1 and 2, especially considering LT seems fairly deep through the first round, and RB seems fairly deep through the second.

    No doubt that a 1 and 3 is steep. I wouldn’t be in love with going there, but I’d probably pull the trigger on it. If Boldin is off the table, I’m doing Braylon for a second and fifth in a second. Do you think the Browns would do that, though, seeing as they got the same deal for Winslow, a TE? I’m thinking that they might want to get more value in return for Edwards, especially after that damn Roy Williams deal last year which apparently “set the market” for return-value on a WR trade.

    But if those were the two offers (1 & 3 for Boldin, 2 and 5 for Edwards)…yeah, I’d probably go with the Edwards deal, I’ll concede that point. However, if the Browns wanted a 1 and change for Edwards – which I think they might – I’m taking Boldin.

  22. I don’t think they’d get a first for Edwards for exactly the reasons we discussed today.

    There’s no doubt, the more accomplished player is Boldin, and I think the only reason the price was set at first/third is the Roy Williams deal, otherwise he’s probably not even valued at that.

    Edwards on the other hand, while any personnel guy is going to say he has a much greater upside, they’re also going to point to the inconsistencies and the the league leading 16 drops in ’08. Plus, he’ll also be needing a new deal, except he was the third overall pick in the draft, so what could he be expecting to haul in on a new contract? That’s going to lower his value too, that and the Browns are sellers. It’s a perfect storm which creates a hit in Braylon’s value.

    With regard to the comparison of the Winslow deal, not sure he would really be considered any more or less valuable than Edwards since he too is considered a guy who may have that game changing ability.

  23. pattisonpundit

    Though, I would think that traditionally, a higher level talent at WR would command a higher asking price than a TE. Unless you’re the Patriots, and you can somehow convince Al Davis that he only wants a fourth-round pick for Randy Moss.

    Still, the Browns don’t have to be sellers. I mean, why not hold on to Braylon if you’re them – what other weapons do you have in Cleveland, after all? I am a bit confused as to why they would move him – wouldn’t you want to have a selling point or two on your roster? Or a playmaker, at that?

    Unless Mangini wants to completely start over…

  24. James Fayleez

    I’m still laughing because of all the potential attention Braylon is going to command in the Eagles offense. Kulp sounds like a guy who had him during his 16 TD season for fantasy football and now the man-love is neverending. I can concede he has the potential to be a top-flight number 1 receiver if he can stop dropping the ball and if he’s in an offense that works for him.

    Our offense works for Anquan Boldin. I can’t dance or sing it any more plainer.

    And stop with the valuing the draft picks. Look who’s drafting for us. If this was a GM genius who can evaluate talent like no other, then I say screw all this WR talk and draft the best players available.

    But you choose to ignore that (a) Reid/Banner’s track record with drafting guys is more bad than good and (b) this is the last shot with McNabb.

  25. @ James

    If you think this team can’t draft, you obviously haven’t been paying close attention: McNabb, Westbrook, D. Jackson, Celek, Herremans, Trent Cole, Patterson, Bunkley, Gocong, Bradley, Sheldon Brown…

    They’ve done well with undrafted free agents too: Jamaal Jackson, Nick Cole, Akeem Jordan, Joselio Hanson, Quintin Mikell.

    And they have some decent reserves/special teamers: Feeley, Avant, Jean-Gilles, Gaither, Demps.

    If the Eagles didn’t know how to draft, they wouldn’t have made seven playoff appearances in the last decade. You can mark that down in the same column as your theories that Derek Anderson is a good QB and Terrell Owens didn’t have the dropsies until he was a Cowboy.

    @ Pundit

    I don’t know what the Browns are doing. New coaches/management go in and often clear things out. Just look at the business with Cutler. You’ve got a potential franchise QB, why wouldn’t you see what he can do?

    Anyway, they haven’t officially said they’ll move him, so maybe they aren’t trying to move him. I don’t think they can get higher than a second if they do though.

  26. pattisonpundit

    Gotta agree with the notion that the Eagles draft just fine. I think the line of thinking that they draft poorly comes from their track record with first overall picks, and their sometimes frustrating tendency to trade out of the first round. Yes, guys like McDougle and Freddie Mitchell were disappointments – but don’t forget about Patterson, Bunkley, McNabb, Andrews, Lito (he was a two-time Pro Bowler) as first-round picks. Pretty good players.

    Yeah, clearly the Browns are doing some Spring cleaning. Though I still think McDaniels just really, really liked Cassell for his offensive scheme, hence the trade talks. Funny how free-agency was pretty anticlimactic, and now it seems as though the real fun has begun.

  27. James Fayleez

    I don’t want to turn this into a conversation about the draft, but you did decide to cherry-pick some names to refute my point about the Eagles drafting more bad than good, so here’s my list…

    Barry Gardner – 2nd
    Pinky – 2nd
    Quinten Caver – 2nd
    McDougle – 1st
    McMullen – 3rd
    Reggie Brown – 2nd
    Moats – 3rd
    Justice – 2nd
    Tony Hunt – 3rd

    So that coveted extra 1 and the 3rd pick can go either way with this organization. Why not deal them and get a proven commodity in Boldin?

    And one thing on Westbrook. I’m really tired of hearing people laud the Eagles for being geniuses and finding that hidden gem that is Brian Westbrook.

    Here’s how I see it:

    He was a 3rd rounder, right? If the Eagles knew (or anybody knew for that matter) how good he was going to be, wouldn’t he have went higher? And if he was projected higher – like say, in the first round – do you really think the Eagles would’ve drafted him?

    The evidence to prove my point is Ryan Moats.

    If you remember back when Westbrook was bellyaching about money (2005?), they drafted Ryan Moats in the 3rd. Same type of build as Westbrook. Same type of runner, almost seemed like the heir apparent, right?

    Except for the fact that Moats sucked balls.

    So this time they didn’t get lucky….like they did with Brian Westbrook.

    So don’t give me Brian Westbrook as an example of the Eagles’ drafting prowess.

    I’ll accept McNabb as the example, because they DID get the right player (not Ricky Williams) and the right QB in that draft.

    • pattisonpundit

      @ James: Hey, you’re going to miss on some picks, and the Eagles certainly did. Though Reggie Brown is kind of surprising, because it really seemed like he was going to be at least a legit number two in the league – I’m not sure what happened with him, but I’m not going to kill the Eagles for him. McDougle was always beat up – hard to say if that was a bad pick, or just bad luck. Everyone else I’m with you on. Though your assessment of the Brian Westbrook pick is kind of odd – the fact that he stayed below most teams radars, and the Eagles found him and saw something that made them willing to take a shot on him suggests that it was very, very good drafting on their part. Hey, Tom Brady stayed under everyone’s radar also – should we not credit the Patriots for drafting him, since a bunch of other teams didn’t? And if he was graded as a first round talent, might the Eagles have drafted him then? I don’t know, though I do know that his skill set perfectly matched what Andy Reid likes to do on offense. Keep this in mind, however – Westbrook was drafted the same year the Eagles went crazy drafting guys in the secondary, bringing in Lito, Sheldon Brown and Michael Lewis. So no, they probably wouldn’t have taken him were he graded higher, because they had prioritized the secondary in the draft that year. Just saying.

      • James Fayleez

        The Lito, Sheldon, Lewis, Westbrook draft was probably their best draft in the 10 years they’ve been here.

        Here’s what I’m saying about Westbrook. The Eagles thought they were getting a 3rd round running back who blossomed into a Pro Bowl running back. Part of that is luck.

        Just like Brady. They already had Bledsoe in place as their franchise QB. And then Brady comes in an exceeds expectations. The Patriots got lucky that this happened.

        And comparing what the Patriots do and what the Eagles do is tough because the Patriots are actually successful (in terms of championships) at what they do.

  28. pattisonpundit

    But then don’t you also have to concede that some of the picks that didn’t pan out were just bad luck? You can’t say that Westbrook wasn’t that great of a pick because they lucked out when he exceeded expectations unless you are willing to say that they got unlucky when some of the first-round guys they drafted didn’t pan out.

    • James Fayleez

      This is my whole point to Kulp. Nothing is for certain in the draft. There is luck involved.

      So why not take the luck away (trading a 1st and a 3rd) for a proven commodity?

  29. pattisonpundit

    Hey, I won’t disagree with you on that one, at least in the case of getting a guy like Anquan Boldin.

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